No Spare Planet
(Cherry Red Records / Esquire Music)


Back in the late 1980s, circa 1987, before many artists even had a CD out, singer-songwriter Nikki Squire released the first album with her band Esquire. Featuring Nikki’s songs and lead vocals, the self-titled Esquire album also featured supporting roles by her then husband, YES cofounder, the late Chris Squire, drummer Alan White and Nikki’s long time musical collaborator, multi-instrumentalist Nigel McLaren. Years flew by and Nikki and Chris parted yet Nikki and Nigel kept at it and released a second Esquire album, Coming Home in 1997. Now, almost 20 years after Coming Home, Nikki and Nigel are back in the spotlight with the long awaited third Esquire album called No Spare Planet. The good news is the nine-track album is a bona fide masterpiece of inventive and meticulously recorded progressive rock music brimming with fresh original tracks written and played by Nikki and Nigel. The bad news is that Nigel unexpectedly passed away in June 2015, just after the album was recorded but not mixed. How tragic is it that Chris Squire also died that month. So in 2015, Nikki lost both her original muse and her co-creator in Esquire. As Nikki says in the following interview, recorded on November 27, 2016, Nikki completed No Spare Planet as a music tribute to her best friend, the late Nigel McLaren. Although underrated for 30 years, Nikki Squire always had one of the great voices and, as this 2016 Esquire album proves, her song writing is also still in peak form. Prog-rock fans and YES fans will bask in the glow of No Spare Planet. presents an interview with
Nikki Squire of ESQUIRE
the No Spare Planet interview

mwe3: No Spare Planet blew me away with how great it is. I was not expecting this. I remember speaking with you in 1997 and writing the review of the '97 Esquire album Coming Home. I just can't believe it's nearly twenty years now. But how great it is to hear this album, even twenty years on.

Nikki Squire: Thank you, that’s very nice. Yeah, listen, life takes a hold of you sometimes. Like what you told me earlier, and you get sidetracked. I understand completely. Why wouldn’t I? And then my whole life changed. I had young girls to bring up. Nigel waited for me. He waited and waited and we got these songs done and sadly he didn’t wait just that bit longer really. Because I also took off to Ibiza, where I live quite a lot of the time. My family comes here. It’s a family home. Yeah, time goes. And we were due to start again with these mixes and do everything and instead, I’ve been doing it with Mark Wallis due to the fact that from one day to the next, Nigel was gone, which was horrendous.

mwe3: I did not know No Spare Planet was coming. What blows my mind is that Chris and Nigel died within two or three weeks of each other.

Nikki Squire: It was a huge, massive, massive shock. Yeah, I mean Chris and I spoke just before, when he was having treatment but I wasn’t aware that it was gonna be a finalized thing. In short, I wasn’t aware he could die. And Nigel, the night before we were due to speak, I’d been out and he sent me a text, he said ‘I’m waiting for you’, and I thought I’d call in the morning. And the call I got in the morning is he was gone. And it was like, that was that and I didn’t even have time to tell Chris because when Chris called me and he was quite ill, I didn’t want to tell him. So Nigel didn’t know… and we all knew each other really well. It was all quite surreal and it took that whole year for me to even absorb it, really. I don’t know what happened that year. And I spent a lot of time with my girls, clearly, it’s their dad. It was pretty major. And it was quite sudden too. It’s quite sudden. It was in a short space. Nigel’s was overnight. He had a stroke. I mean Chris was quite a short illness that he had. It wasn’t like he’d been ill for years or anything. So nobody was actually expecting it.

mwe3: So the music that came out on the album, No Spare Planet, was it finished already?

Nikki Squire: What happened was, after I came to, after that first year, I’d been talking to Mark Wallis who worked on the first Esquire album. He and Chris Squire mixed the first album and they produced the mixes. So it was kind of the same thing. We had these demos, Nigel and I, and we had to get to all the hard drives. It had taken a year to get to that and go, ‘I’m gonna do this, and I’m gonna do it alone, if it comes to it.’ And Mark, I mean, he was the perfect man for the job. He’s a great engineer, he’s a really wonderful producer. He’s a sensitive, musical guy. Patient, because it took a lot of patience. Nigel had the stuff recorded on various hard drives because we’d worked here in Ibiza and we’d worked at his studio. There was a lot to piece together and it took a whole year. So I didn’t really talk about it. It took about four months to get it all into shape and then properly start mixing. But there are new vocals on there. There’s different treatments to different instruments. Mark calls it a ‘lick of paint’… that’s a very broad analogy. Mark worked on a lot of things to bring them into the now.

mwe3: I think Chris would have loved this album. It sounds more like him than the last couple YES albums. On No Spare Planet it sounds like you’re channeling Chris!

Nikki Squire: Maybe so, maybe so. He’s my measure all the time and so is Nigel to be fair. And because Mark knows them both very well, from working together, I think that it was totally the right thing to do. So I allowed for that measure to develop with Mark. We’d be like, ‘C’mon Chris what do you reckon?’ lol I don’t know. We can get all cosmic about it. People run through your veins sometimes. I think they both do. Nigel was a fantastic musician and singer. He played so much on this album. All the bass and all the keyboards are his, except the additional keyboards by Lisa LaRue on "Stay Low". We worked as a team on it. And I think, both of us, even when we were writing it, that measure of Chris would always be with us… to be fair. Whether Chris was with us at that time, as he was in life, he wasn’t in the room... (lol), but he’s always there. If that makes sense.

mwe3: Did you hear the Syndestructible that came out in 2005?

Nikki Squire: Well, you know, it wasn’t for me. None of it was really for me. I mean, lots of stuff that Chris did, in the later times, wasn’t always my favorite thing. I know an early Chris. I know Fragile and Topographic Oceans Chris. The “Fish” Chris. And “Soundchaser” Chris. And all those things. They make that pulse. He used to play “Soundchaser” to me. I’d say, ‘C’mon, play it!' He’d go up and down the frets and I’d go ‘Yeah!’ I used to love it! And you know, all of those days. I liked some of the Conspiracy. Chris and I worked on “Red Light Ahead” way before then. We sat singing it together. So I liked some of that. In the latter times I wasn’t really following Chris’s music to be honest. I was coping with a lot of other things. I don’t want to say anything bad, but I don’t want to say anything fake either.

mwe3: It seemed like Chris always gave people a chance, even the writers like me. I first met him on Long Island on the Topographic tour in early 1974.

Nikki Squire: Right, in ’74 he was an amazing guy. He was gentle, tall, willowy, kind, a great dad. (lol) I know him well from that period. We were together for kind of 18 years really. When things change and people are in different relationships, it gets difficult, depending on who the other partners are and stuff like that. In 2008, I was writing this album, with Nigel. I was going to London from Ibiza and recording in Nigel’s studio, which was on the far side of London. And it was really cold. And some of those journeys were quite hard and considering we came out with some nice music was great. And then, he would fly here and we would do stuff. “Ministry” was half done a long time ago and then we finished the other half, but also Mark and I worked on it together, because we didn’t
quite have all the components to make it work. Mark did backwards guitar and twisted things up on “Ministry”. I did some new vocals and some new harmonies. Things like that... we did that all the time. But in 2008, I was kind of deep into writing and trying to re-piece it all together.

mwe3: You and Chris both have such a fantastic and innate sense of pop meets prog sensibility. I know you’re involved in environmentalism. Is that how you came up with the title and songs to No Spare Planet?

Nikki Squire: Absolutely, there’s so much. We’ve been observing it for years. It’s not new but fortunately, you’ve got people like DiCaprio bringing out Before The Flood and things like that and the global warming agreements going on in Paris. I mean it’s really, really happening. All of it and, we might make it to Mars and be able to live there but not just yet, I don’t think. So we don’t have a spare planet. And “Ministry” is reflective of that. “Ministry Of Life” is about an environmental issue, all the while along but it does reflects some hope, down the line, behind the gates of Eden and into the light. Didn’t we want to live forever, all of us? Didn’t we want to have our planet here, in tact?

mwe3: I thought the other side of that was the song “Stay Low”. I thought that was also about global warming and the polluting of the Earth right?

Nikki Squire: Because we selected these songs from the ones that Nigel and I wrote, we tried to be contemporary. Mark really freshened up the reverbs and compression. That was his lick of paint as it were, but song wise, I wanted it to be varied. I didn’t want to just write about the environment but it would have been rude not to. So “Stay Low”, that’s why the young voices are in there. It’s about the future of the children.

mwe3: In an age when so many people are leaving the planet, it seems that these are songs I will remember, if I live another twenty years.

Nikki Squire: Let’s hope we all do. We’re all going for a bit longer, that’s for sure. But “Stay Low” is like that and “Ministry”, but “Ministry” is a three part, progressive track. I think I’ve said before, it’s an honest album so it touches on broken hearts as in “Tonight”. But again, positive because you don’t see the rain anymore, everything is changing, it’s all right. Someone’s holding on to you. It’s better. That’s “Tonight”. And “It’s Over” is just an acknowledgment how people are. Should I hold on or is it over? But it’s still a brave word to a moment of an ending love. Should I hold on but only if you have the love for me that you'd die for. And do I have that love for you that I’d die for? So we’re looking at the ultimate faith and love. (lol) In that song, it’s acknowledging it but I hope it doesn’t come across as a painful song. Is it over?

mwe3: Would you say “It’s Over” has some YES references in it?

Nikki Squire: I’ve heard that before but I don’t do that on purpose. These songs are creative from the heart really, from what I feel, from what I see. Musically, I just do it. Whether it’s Chris channeling… (lol) If it is, I’m not complaining about that.

mwe3: I did not know about Nigel's passing till this CD came out but the prog world is still mourning the loss of Chris.

Nikki Squire: It’s a big pill to swallow. We all know people die but you don’t really acknowledge it until it’s close to home. A family. And Nigel was my best friend. I would speak to him nearly every day. And his joyfulness. He’d go ‘Nicola!’, he’d say ‘I got this song, listen, I’m just going to send this down the wire, just wait, wait, wait! You’re gonna love this! I can hear your vocal now.’ He was so up and so open and so dedicated. I spoke to his mum yesterday, Nigel’s mom. She’s very musical, his mom. She was saying how she felt. And I said, ‘Look, he’s here with us.’ And she loves the album. And then she said, ‘Nigel, he adored you. That’s very high for Nicola to sing.’ He might have played her a demo. And she said, ‘Do you think she could do it?’ And he said, ‘of course she can, Nicola can sing anything!’ So he was definitely, totally… I don’t know what the word is… convinced that I was the one for him in the musical sense. And I think Chris became really proud of what I could do. Nigel’s bass playing was also very good. He was a good bass player.

mwe3: The first Esquire album from 1987 was a huge influence. I bought the original cassette on Geffen back in the days when many artists couldn’t even make a CD in this country... 30 years ago…

Nikki Squire: I know… I put it on vinyl and cassette (laughter). But I mean, Chris loved that album and, so much so, that he was very happy to work on the mixes but he didn’t write at all. He sang on it, he did backing vocals but he didn’t play on it at all and he didn’t write any of it. Some people think he did, and that’s okay, I don’t mind but he didn’t. Nigel should have the credit for all that he did. Those early demos were stupendous really. What Nigel did in the studio, just the two of us and recording and learning the desk and learning how to be a producer, me too. Chris would come home, back to the house, because he wasn’t really living there and he’d say, ‘Blimey! Who did that?’ and I said, 'we did!' He’d say, ‘who wrote those lyrics?’ I’d go, 'I did!' (lol) And he’d go ‘Whoa!’ And, ‘You’re something’. And I said, ‘Well you know that, you knew I could do that.’ But he loved the album. So having said about “Stay Low” and “Ministry”... Do you like “Ministry”?

mwe3: The first few times I played it, it sounded a little dark but then I realized it was a total three part song, that takes you from despair to a state of etherealness. Didn’t you want to live / learn forever? Just great lyric writing. Do you think that the music industry has gotten to the point where it’s not really the music industry anymore?

Nikki Squire: It’s both, yeah. You might be right but the thing is… the music business now is a really bad mistress. You want to get on and get your music out there. That’s what people do. They keep doing all these different things. I think people just try everything. There’s such a lot involved. The dedication and trying to find your way forward. I’m lucky I have a record label and the promotion has been really excellent. And the team that I’m now involved with, whether it’s the media manager Simon Hawes, with Mark as the mix producer,
my label Cherry Red, and my label manager Daniel Earnshaw... Everybody’s been very supportive and that helps a lot. And it’s not all about money. I didn’t do this album because it was about money. I did this as a tribute to Nigel and if I could get out there and perform it, that would be even more brilliant. Without him, it’s a bit strange but I’ll go out there for him, if the opportunity arises. But it was never about getting famous (lol). I’ve kind of been there just a bit. I suppose it’s just an honest album and I want it to be well done, which as I understand from everybody, is that’s what they think. That I want it to be a well accepted album and that’s what I’m hoping. That people will love it and Nigel would have shared this and that would be wonderful to give that to him… where ever it goes. I just hope people get to hear it. That’s the main issue and then people can decide for themselves, what they think. But it’s for Nigel… and for Chris, really for both of them.

mwe3: How about the song “Human Rhythm”? I was thinking that song and “Tonight” would make some interesting remixes.

Nikki Squire: Funny enough, I was thinking it would be great to do a remix. I think the easiest one... I never thought about “Human Rhythm”, but I did think about “Tonight”. That would be nice to have a remix on that. “Human Rhythm” is about when Nigel and I were sitting at the mixing desk together, recording. And that’s what it is, it’s about writing a song. That’s what “Human Rhythm” is about. I love the bass in that song as well. When I hear it I just can’t stand still in the studio. I always dance to it in the music. (lol) I mean in the studio rather. I’m getting excited so I might say the wrong word! I can’t hardly speak good English anymore because I’ve been in Spain for so long.

mwe3: As you sing in “Stay Low”, ‘So long dreaming’… as in goodbye to dreams?

Nikki Squire: I like to do those things. Even with “Stay Low”, do we stay low and stay below the parapet or do we stay low in our emotions? So it’s a double entendre. I like to make it a double thing. ’Have all the battles been won?’ Like you win them or are the battles one, as in just one battle? That little jiggle around with words is fantastic, so I like to do that. So “Stay Low” does it.

mwe3: Also in “Stay Low” you sing ‘this is the air we breathe’… so how can we stay low when we're poisoning the air, the water. Our emotions are so intertwined with these thoughts.

Nikki Squire: I think you’re getting more and more aware of it but I think even the young people today are because just the stuff you see and what you hear them say. In their areas they’ve got fracking and it’s young people that are raising up their protest. They’re not all people who are over 60. You can sing about love songs… but it’s nice maybe as you say in “Tonight” to do a remix, that would be great. I like “She Said”. That’s the fantasy song. That’s where you go off for the day with an angel and she comes in. ‘What would you do, if the world was new’… everything was really fresh and an angel was looking in on you? What would you say, on a different day, if you flew her wings and she took you out to an unknown world and you had a little excursion? A day off, a little holiday with an angel and her wings. And she takes you into another space and it’s a bit unreal. It’s like a sort of sci-fi holiday. She says hi to you but she’s also high, in the air. So she sweeps you up on her wings and you go to this sci-fi world just for a little excursion. Yeah, a bit of lite relief...

mwe3: Speaking about the final song on No Spare Planet called “Heaven Blessed”, was that something Nigel had around for a while? It’s funny, because he’s really heaven blessed now. It’s a ironic thing to put on someone’s foot stone.

Nikki Squire: Well I will say that did play at his funeral. It was written all by him as you’ll see from the credits and it was like the struggle we had. We were signed to ZTT and we waited a long time at Trevor’s behest, you know because he had other things to do. Because he was gonna produce the first Esquire album. Then we went to Geffen and along the way, it was a struggle. We were trying so hard to create music and it wasn’t always easy. And he sings, ‘You always smile, along the while, you must be heaven blessed.’ He wrote that in the early part. Eventually when we were signed to Geffen and we had our album all done and things looked good, even then difficulties came because I was getting divorced and all that stuff. So it’s about ‘We saw the fields', we saw it out there and we held them in our view. And he’d always smile along the while, you must be heaven blessed... That did play out at his funeral...

mwe3: It’s kind of a misty-eyed way to end the album…

Nikki Squire: It really is a tribute to him so I thought it should end the album because he won’t be back anymore. He won’t be back and … it’s hard, it’s really hard. And Mark agreed with me as well that it is a sad way to end the album. That album is a tribute to him. So again I come back to that thing that I wanted it to be honest, in its completeness. And in “Friends And Enemies”, I think he sings it really well. That’s really hard to listen to. The studio was quite tough at times, listening. I know his style of playing like the back of my hand. Everything. And I could visualize it all because we’d all been there together. The two of us. So when he sang “Heaven Blessed” and “Friends And Enemies”... I like “Friends And Enemies” a lot.

mwe3: “Friends And Enemies” sounds more like a co-write with you writing the chorus, ‘all good things take time.’

Nikki Squire: He would always say that to me. I would say, ‘look I'll be back Nigel, I will be back in the studio’. He’d say to me, ‘don’t worry, all good things take time.’ He’d always be sayin’ it. I’d go, ‘yeah, yeah yeah.’ (lol) Little did I know… we don’t have him around. He was only 53.

mwe3: So many people are dying younger. It blows my mind.

Nikki Squire: There’s loads of artists in the last couple of years. David Bowie was a massive shock. I don’t think anyone knew he was really ill like that.

mwe3: With Chris too. Everything is kept so quiet…

Nikki Squire: It’s amazing really, in today’s media, you can’t keep anything quiet. I mean Chris sounded all right the last time I spoke to him. He was going off to the hospital, and I never got to talk to him again. It all makes you real. If you can’t deal with it, then you’ve got a big problem. I guess you just have to be brave.

mwe3: Also I wanted to talk with you about the No Spare Planet CD cover art because you and Nigel are dipped in bronze! Are you like posing as statues of yourselves?

Nikki Squire: That’s Nigel and I and the guy did ‘Trompe-l’ oeil’. He painted our body and the rest of it is gold leaf. And it’s all layed on piece by piece on our bodies. If you look closely, it’s all overlapping. It’s gold leaf, you wouldn’t have anything else, would you? (lol) He’s a very talented man. I haven’t seen him for a long time. He does art installations. But that color here is not my skin, that’s all painted. So there’s a tint in here that makes it different. And that is the skin peeling back to expose a kind of alien body, I guess. So if you want to say it’s statuesque… but those pieces, if you look at them… Have you ever seen gold leaf?

mwe3: So the red part… that’s painted on too?

Nikki Squire: (lol) My skin isn’t that color! (lol) It’s a very chic tint. If you look closely at one part, you can see the shading there. It’s like sponged on. So then the ‘Trompe-l’ oeil’ it makes it look like your skin is peeling off and you’re jumping out of it. So this is the body underneath the skin as it were. It’s like a powdered tint… so I promise you, I don’t have skin that color! You know the word Trompe-l’ oeil? It’s illusion. It’s gold leaf but it’s done in a stressed way. So it’s not one dense color. There’s red in there. There’s a darker gold.

mwe3: So how are you finally planning to get Esquire III out there. I guess your record management and label dealings are run by Daniel Earnshaw. He works with so many great artists.

Nikki Squire: Daniel is a really good guy. I like him a lot. He’s been very honest with me. I don’t know if you know him very well but he loved the first two albums. He approached me at a time when we were putting this album together. I didn’t even know where it was gonna go. I just knew I had to do it. And coincidentally, he talked to me at Chris’s memorial. The last thing I expected was for somebody to talk to me about my album, or my past albums, at that time, the Esquire album and Coming Home. I thought he was gonna come up and say how brilliant Chris was. But he said, ‘I gotta say, the last two albums you made are really brilliant.’ And I was like ‘wow thank you.’ All Chris’s family were there and the kiddies, our daughters and grandchildren were there. Out of that came a quite a pleasant part of the evening. The memorial was very nice anyway, for what it is. I know my kids weren’t happy but it was a good celebration of his life. I don’t want to sound uncaring for one second. And Daniel spoke about that. And I said, ‘funny you should mention it’… he said ‘if you ever do another album, I want first option on it.’ And I said, ‘we’re working on one right now.’ And obviously were weren’t going to spend the evening talking about it. We made an arrangement to meet, not too long later. And then he came and heard some of the things we were doing, while Mark was mixing it. And it all kind of evolved but it was funny because we were doing it and at the same time I was invited to join the label. The record company that’s distributing and that we’re signed to is Cherry Red. Daniel is between myself and Cherry Red. The promotion’s been great.

mwe3: So you were nearly complete with the new album when you met Daniel?

Nikki Squire: Yeah. We were mixing, Mark and I were doing it but we didn’t know where... Mark’s got his own studio. I’ve known Mark since we did the first Esquire album, so that’s like 30 years. So while we were all good together, and we were working, we did some of it in his residential studio there and then we’ve been working here as well at the house. I’ve got a small studio here but it’s been extended by Mark’s rig. He’s got everything you could even think of in the pro-tools department.

mwe3: I hope Cherry Red gets a hit for you.

Nikki Squire: Well I certainly hope so. The thing is. Daniel has been really supportive. We’ve got a very good promotion company getting us out there. I’ve got a great media guy. A web guy who’s building all the platforms and updates them and then I get a lot of response within that so I’m also contributing in that way. I’d like to get a video done, perhaps of “Ministry”, I’m not sure yet. We’re now working on a couple of new songs where we’ve got “stems” for them, Mark and I, we’ve been working here. Right now, people are buying it and that can help us to continue because like I said it’s not like the days of Geffen or Atlantic where you’ve got lots of money up front. It’s all recoupable, it’s quite nice to get done what you want. So we’re just forging ahead with what we’re doing.

mwe3: Nigel is gone, Chris is gone. How…

Nikki Squire: How would I do it? Listen, I know enough players. I know the bass player I would like but I’m not going to name him. I’ve already spoken to him and he’s a good player. I don’t need to have famous people I just need to have people that would play what we would do but I haven’t gone down that route entirely because I don’t know what will happen. It’s too soon. The album’s only been released ten days.

mwe3: Did you hear Chris’s album with Squackett?

Nikki Squire: I didn’t like that name, no.

mwe3: Maybe he was taking the piss out of it…

Nikki Squire: I definitely think that, for god’s sake… He said that his current wife thought of the name, so I don’t know if it was tongue in cheek or if it was just because it had both of their names in it. I wasn’t sure. I was hoping it was… what you were saying…taking the mickey. But I wasn’t sure in the end if it was. I don’t think I’d have gone for it in any event.

mwe3: Chris worked so hard during those YES tours around 2010, even after he got sick and ended up in the Texas hospital... I always thought that Steve was working him a little too hard.

Nikki Squire: I think as a musician that’s probably what he wanted to keep doing and it was what was happening at the time. You have to have everybody in agreement. If they were all kind of wanting different things… but I always got the feeling that the last part of his life that he was pretty well in control of the band. He often spoke to me and we thought of it as his band. After Jon wasn’t there, Chris, I think took quite a lot of decisions but because I wasn’t there all the time, it would only be the way I saw it. I wouldn’t have anything confirmed about what they were doing. Obviously, with Steve Nardelli, he made that decision to do what ever he did and they joined forces and I don’t think anyone forced him to do that. And maybe the Squackett album… he liked Steve Hackett and he liked the way he played. I think he wanted to create all the time. Even when I watched him on stage, just from videos that I saw, later, he always looked happier on stage and tired off stage. That was his life so maybe those were his choices at the time. Maybe he didn’t have any other choice. I don’t know...

mwe3: So tell us you are going to make another Esquire album out before 2020!

Nikki Squire: I just started being asked to do, at this stage, a best of. We haven’t agreed yet but I’ve been invited by Cherry Red to do a best of with three new tracks. I’m limited with what we have but what we do have is audio and midi files that we’re working on again. The same thing… piecing it together. I do new vocals. There’s one song that I really like. I just have a verse and the choruses. So I’ve been writing the verses this week and last week. And getting around the melody. I want it to be a certain way. And Mark’s doing what Nigel would do. Playing the backing track, over and over again as a demo form and I’m just singing over it for the whole song so that I know that I’ve got it in the pocket. And then we’ll split the whole thing apart and I’ll do the vocal and separate all the stems and sink into it the vocal and lay on the harmonies or what ever it needs. So we’re just starting now really. I don’t know where it will go really.

mwe3: But you made this new great album. No Spare Planet is the best thing you've done, even as great as the first Esquire was…

Nikki Squire: That’s what Trevor said… Trevor Horn. His words were, ‘it’s head and shoulders above anything you’ve ever done.’ It’s promotion now really, isn’t it Robert, at this stage. If it gets enough of energy behind it in promotion and people review it. So far, the reviews I have seen have been really good. But it’s a different place now. Maybe it will be a slow burner… I’m in a better position for two reasons because of my background and we’ve already had two albums out. But still it has to stand up. With what you’re saying and what other people are saying it does stand up. Sometimes I think, this feels good…and then other times I think…well I don’t really know just what might happen...


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